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Dutch / Re: Bekendheid vergroten van Zentyal
« on: August 16, 2011, 10:56:58 pm »
chatzilla :$ bloos... zelfs nu ik voornamelijk chromium gebruik heb ik nog steeds xul-runner en chatzilla draaien op windows EN linux machines...
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Dutch / Re: Bekendheid vergroten van Zentyal
« on: August 16, 2011, 04:35:09 pm »
een openbare #zentyal-nl chan op freenode lijkt me een prima start. evenals een volledig nederlandstalige site, op dit manier kunnen we bestaande documentatie makkelijk gecentraliseerd onderhouden en vertalen, en kunnen we gezamelijk de 'last' dragen om nieuwe (van nederlandse oorsprong) documenten terug naar het engels (en internationale community) te vertalen.
@meeting. als er toevallig iemand uit de omgeving rotterdam / den haag die kant op gaat dan hoor ik dat graag, - ik heb geen auto, en per trein maakt het bijna onbetaalbaar... (voor mij dan).
@meeting. als er toevallig iemand uit de omgeving rotterdam / den haag die kant op gaat dan hoor ik dat graag, - ik heb geen auto, en per trein maakt het bijna onbetaalbaar... (voor mij dan).
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Dutch / Re: Bekendheid vergroten van Zentyal
« on: August 15, 2011, 03:05:13 pm »
niet zo erg actief op het GOT forum, ben meer een FP gast...
maar het creeren van een nederlandstalige community met bijhorende links zou mogelijk al wat kunnen schelen. zeker als er goede en uitgewerkte ideeën uit deze community ontproten,
verder vond ik het idee van een NL zentyal meeting een goed idee. al ben ik bang dat het op deze schaal nog niet echt haalbaar is er nu al aan te beginnen. mij lijkt het dan beter om eerst eens te beginnen met iets online's (live) er zal vast wel een platform zijn waar dat mee kan.. maar ik zal toch eens gaan kijken en lezen wat met @ tnet over zentyal te zeggen heeft.
maar het creeren van een nederlandstalige community met bijhorende links zou mogelijk al wat kunnen schelen. zeker als er goede en uitgewerkte ideeën uit deze community ontproten,
verder vond ik het idee van een NL zentyal meeting een goed idee. al ben ik bang dat het op deze schaal nog niet echt haalbaar is er nu al aan te beginnen. mij lijkt het dan beter om eerst eens te beginnen met iets online's (live) er zal vast wel een platform zijn waar dat mee kan.. maar ik zal toch eens gaan kijken en lezen wat met @ tnet over zentyal te zeggen heeft.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Zentyal in a home situation
« on: August 14, 2011, 01:31:59 pm »
no it will not, unlesse some home-use antosiasts start building those modules in thair own time..
zentyal is already a complicated piece of work, adding stuf like a media server would requie a whole diferent set of rulles firewall settings and would hardly get any revenue for the devs (mind you they need food on the table to)...
you might want to like for amahi instead... it will eventually get ported to ubuntu too and its completely geared to home use... an other option would be freenas 0.7x - but thats bsd based and more of a nas with torrent and media server rather than a real sever...
zentyal is already a complicated piece of work, adding stuf like a media server would requie a whole diferent set of rulles firewall settings and would hardly get any revenue for the devs (mind you they need food on the table to)...
you might want to like for amahi instead... it will eventually get ported to ubuntu too and its completely geared to home use... an other option would be freenas 0.7x - but thats bsd based and more of a nas with torrent and media server rather than a real sever...
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Please help me understand how to use Zentyal in our small business
« on: August 11, 2011, 10:53:29 pm »
ive used egroupware in the passed too i worked perfectly with my nokia e71 and tbird mail clients ...
i hav'nt tried zarafa yet... but it seams promissing... im not sure if it would actually since well with those to... but gnome's evolition is supposed to work with call dav if i remember correctly or there must be at least a few that could work well with the comunity version of zarafa
any way... going for a one stop solution rather than a mixed-problems setup ... could be worth investigating.. and i dont even think it would be hard to do a transition either...
i hav'nt tried zarafa yet... but it seams promissing... im not sure if it would actually since well with those to... but gnome's evolition is supposed to work with call dav if i remember correctly or there must be at least a few that could work well with the comunity version of zarafa
any way... going for a one stop solution rather than a mixed-problems setup ... could be worth investigating.. and i dont even think it would be hard to do a transition either...
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Installing non-Zentyal Software (from Ubuntu repositories?)
« on: August 11, 2011, 10:46:41 pm »
what i mean is, >a let zentyal manage packes as mutch as possible it will do just fine... >b never use auto dependancy installers - unless you know for 100% sure they wont interfere with your current installation... (as zentyal manages that)...
thus dont run a 'sudo apt get install joomla but rather install it by hand so you KNOW it would brake...
also dont install alternatives to for example mail servers firewall deamons and stuff like that... as part of any package you might wanna install...
if you for instance find a handy-dandy script to install x-application open in in a textpadd first and check its not going to break things...
and if your not sure ask first... most or us rather tell you in advance than having to spent hours helping fix an already broken server.
thus dont run a 'sudo apt get install joomla but rather install it by hand so you KNOW it would brake...
also dont install alternatives to for example mail servers firewall deamons and stuff like that... as part of any package you might wanna install...
if you for instance find a handy-dandy script to install x-application open in in a textpadd first and check its not going to break things...
and if your not sure ask first... most or us rather tell you in advance than having to spent hours helping fix an already broken server.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: 2 zentyal networks connected with optical cable
« on: August 11, 2011, 10:40:18 pm »
meaning disable firewall on both these 'interlink' ports and try to get connectivity..
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Installing non-Zentyal Software (from Ubuntu repositories?)
« on: August 11, 2011, 03:10:38 pm »
do however realize that zentyal a complete system based on ubuntu thuis any ubuntu software can work.. there is a BUT ...
SOME ubuntu software uses parts and software that also is used by zentyal... if you know what your doing this shouldn't be a problem BUT - running the auto installer script for any package that uses packages the same as zentyal - or packes conflicting with zentyal - the system may break or even get unrecoverable...
you should ALWAYS first check the discription and dependancies of a package and determin if it wil be compatible..
SOME ubuntu software uses parts and software that also is used by zentyal... if you know what your doing this shouldn't be a problem BUT - running the auto installer script for any package that uses packages the same as zentyal - or packes conflicting with zentyal - the system may break or even get unrecoverable...
you should ALWAYS first check the discription and dependancies of a package and determin if it wil be compatible..
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Cannot Make call using SIP
« on: August 11, 2011, 02:34:58 pm »
my gues check your e71 to see if the outgoing call isn't going trough your mobile service provider rather than your sip provider
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: 2 zentyal networks connected with optical cable
« on: August 11, 2011, 02:30:29 pm »
as soon as your fiber connection goes out of your network, (no matter if its a dedicated line). i would set up a vpn... it will make some stuf easier ir you rout them trough a vpn module. also if speed and stuf concerns your you could also just use a weaker encryption (example 128 bit rather than 2048 bit...
at least you want to make sure that...
site a is network compatible with site b...
for example call the network in berlin berlin.yourcompani.com where is your office in paris paris.yourcompany.com and have both dhcp ranges difer exaomple 192.168.0 /24 for site a and 192.168.1 /24 for site b.. that way your shure that any computer in site a could reach site b... and visa versa.
anyway if its a local connection define the interface as wan interface, and than get your hands dirty configuring the interface manually... its a bit of work figuring out routing from within linux .. but it has al the tools you need to ebale a "default route" from network a to network b and so on...
at least you want to make sure that...
site a is network compatible with site b...
for example call the network in berlin berlin.yourcompani.com where is your office in paris paris.yourcompany.com and have both dhcp ranges difer exaomple 192.168.0 /24 for site a and 192.168.1 /24 for site b.. that way your shure that any computer in site a could reach site b... and visa versa.
anyway if its a local connection define the interface as wan interface, and than get your hands dirty configuring the interface manually... its a bit of work figuring out routing from within linux .. but it has al the tools you need to ebale a "default route" from network a to network b and so on...
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Please help me understand how to use Zentyal in our small business
« on: August 11, 2011, 08:14:04 am »
my question - even though citadel seams a nice piece of software, would be, what cervices from citadel are you actually using... because if its mostly mail services, and you really want more control over your network why not try to see if migration to zentyal all in could be worth it...
specially after the release of 2.2 in month or 2 - you could easily try if zarafa can do the same for you...
you could than run all services on your zentyal box
specially after the release of 2.2 in month or 2 - you could easily try if zarafa can do the same for you...
you could than run all services on your zentyal box
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Ubuntu as Zentyal Client
« on: August 09, 2011, 10:38:24 am »
christian - though i can emagine your view point, im not completely agreaing...
lets first set 2 type of users...
1st: end users (this can be end users, or unskilled system administrators).
with these types of users i would most definetly agrea,
but there are also power users... these users ar allways trying to implement stuf in a non standard way...
these are the guy's who would install joomla on a server and make it talk with ldap... these are the guys creating nifty winshell scripts to fix a requirement not met by zentyal yet...
the problem with these kind of users is often that they can, or maybe even allready did fix a certain problem.. but they just dont because its to mutch work.. what i want is to find these users in the crowd and encourrage them to help me creating documentation.. building quick fixes that could be later intergrated into zentyal..
take ltps for example... we all seem to want it... but no-one as of yet has posted a tread like...
"hey so if we go for ltps, maybe we should build it based on.... %desktop% $browser$ and set_office-client - %package% could be configured to do $action$ thus creating &result;
you might be reluctant to tell programmers what to do or not to do... but here is the deal... if you dont
they'd have to start from scratch and it will take %time% to organise test and practice software... this is tast that anyone could have done...
if you do five of these projects changes are 1 or 2 (or maybe 4) will never be implemented for reasons only known to the zentyal staff.. or maybe some other forum member had better luck with a different app..
but if you document the steps you took to set it up... there will allways be so many people benefitting.
lets first set 2 type of users...
1st: end users (this can be end users, or unskilled system administrators).
with these types of users i would most definetly agrea,
but there are also power users... these users ar allways trying to implement stuf in a non standard way...
these are the guy's who would install joomla on a server and make it talk with ldap... these are the guys creating nifty winshell scripts to fix a requirement not met by zentyal yet...
the problem with these kind of users is often that they can, or maybe even allready did fix a certain problem.. but they just dont because its to mutch work.. what i want is to find these users in the crowd and encourrage them to help me creating documentation.. building quick fixes that could be later intergrated into zentyal..
take ltps for example... we all seem to want it... but no-one as of yet has posted a tread like...
"hey so if we go for ltps, maybe we should build it based on.... %desktop% $browser$ and set_office-client - %package% could be configured to do $action$ thus creating &result;
you might be reluctant to tell programmers what to do or not to do... but here is the deal... if you dont
they'd have to start from scratch and it will take %time% to organise test and practice software... this is tast that anyone could have done...
if you do five of these projects changes are 1 or 2 (or maybe 4) will never be implemented for reasons only known to the zentyal staff.. or maybe some other forum member had better luck with a different app..
but if you document the steps you took to set it up... there will allways be so many people benefitting.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Ubuntu as Zentyal Client
« on: August 09, 2011, 08:19:12 am »
there is one more thing that im considering...
when i read the proposal to intergrate a dms a lot of people was calling for.... dont bloat the server it will get to slow etc etc etc.. and though i did not agrea with that statement in that usercase BUT it was a valid warning..
and i think it applies to the here and now... ergo "lets think hard about ever installing ltsp on the same box as zentyal server. since ltsp is kind of tought on system resources it might be better to have it installed on special equiped servers. my point is 'when designing a zentyal desktop' make it as lightweight as possible, build an ltps server that can join your zentyal network via a setup wizard (or something in that spirit).
and only put the management interface on the zentyal box...
when i read the proposal to intergrate a dms a lot of people was calling for.... dont bloat the server it will get to slow etc etc etc.. and though i did not agrea with that statement in that usercase BUT it was a valid warning..
and i think it applies to the here and now... ergo "lets think hard about ever installing ltsp on the same box as zentyal server. since ltsp is kind of tought on system resources it might be better to have it installed on special equiped servers. my point is 'when designing a zentyal desktop' make it as lightweight as possible, build an ltps server that can join your zentyal network via a setup wizard (or something in that spirit).
and only put the management interface on the zentyal box...
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Ubuntu as Zentyal Client
« on: August 08, 2011, 03:13:23 pm »
radius if im informed correctly is a way to authenticate serveral kind's of services via user + password with any database backend possible (thus also ldap)...
what i think must be done is building a simple lightweight desktop based un ubuntu witch should be logging in against the zentyal ldap db...
if you want roaming profiles it should also mount mount a remote directory as its profile dir in /home/$username$ but thats not part of the SSO ...
while reading this document - creating a ubuntu iso with these packages preconfigured .. should be able to fix all the problems stated here above without near to no changes to the server...
i think that a think-tank post / forum / wiki or whatever should be installed to think over these kind of features.. selecting packages for sucht a desktop and remastring an iso to accomplish this. and after that proposing a specefic list of functions that should be added to zentyal to accomdate this intergration...
the lot of us really should start on telling developers what to code rather than what idea to come up with... i know many of them are really smart but even they only have 2 hands and 1 brain...
what i think must be done is building a simple lightweight desktop based un ubuntu witch should be logging in against the zentyal ldap db...
if you want roaming profiles it should also mount mount a remote directory as its profile dir in /home/$username$ but thats not part of the SSO ...
while reading this document - creating a ubuntu iso with these packages preconfigured ..
should be able to fix all the problems stated here above without near to no changes to the server... i think that a think-tank post / forum / wiki or whatever should be installed to think over these kind of features.. selecting packages for sucht a desktop and remastring an iso to accomplish this. and after that proposing a specefic list of functions that should be added to zentyal to accomdate this intergration...
the lot of us really should start on telling developers what to code rather than what idea to come up with... i know many of them are really smart but even they only have 2 hands and 1 brain...
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Ubuntu as Zentyal Client
« on: August 08, 2011, 01:54:34 pm »
to comment on what rob says.
we allready HAVE ldap.. we have radius we have lots of other stuf..
we dont have zentyal desktop ... we should build our own desktop version of ubuntu based on a subset of ubuntu repositories, and the base install using pam-auth-ldap for loging in... or for example using radius to enforce settings like most users are familiar with when using windows..
in my view.. that same ubuntu subset desktop could be the base for any future ltps plan...
idd be willing to document this.. but i would require some help in a few aspects allong the way...
we allready HAVE ldap.. we have radius we have lots of other stuf..
we dont have zentyal desktop ... we should build our own desktop version of ubuntu based on a subset of ubuntu repositories, and the base install using pam-auth-ldap for loging in... or for example using radius to enforce settings like most users are familiar with when using windows..
in my view.. that same ubuntu subset desktop could be the base for any future ltps plan...
idd be willing to document this.. but i would require some help in a few aspects allong the way...