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Installation and Upgrades / Re: 3.2 traffic shaping rules can't be created

« on: April 01, 2014, 12:41:05 am »

Is it likely that this is a bug? I'll create a ticket, if it is.

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Captive Portal, not recognize a specific group

« on: April 01, 2014, 12:38:37 am »

Updates arrived, problem solved. Thank you.

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Captive Portal, not recognize a specific group

« on: March 29, 2014, 03:21:16 pm »

Follow-up question: What's the typical process for 3.2 bug fix deployment? My test system has not seen an update yet that applies the fix.

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Installation and Upgrades / 3.2 traffic shaping rules can't be created

« on: March 29, 2014, 03:15:49 pm »

Since I see no forum topics or bug tickets on the problem I'm having (I apologize if I missed something), I'm probably doing something wrong. When I try to create a traffic shaping rule the system errors with a message that tells me I can't modify the interface of a rule, that I need to create a new rule for the interface. Since there are no existing rules, I don't know what triggers the error.

Suggestions?

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: OpenVPN Issue - no NAT

« on: March 22, 2014, 04:36:28 am »

Does this make sense to anyone what I am asking?

I think I understand what you're asking, but I'm not sure I understand well enough to be helpful.

My setup is different but not completely; Zentyal is the gateway and the HTTP proxy service is running. VPN NAT is not enabled. I have firewall rules that allow service traffic between the LAN segments connected by the VPN. I'm not using the VPN interface addresses in the rules but the address ranges of the servers' internal interfaces. The internal interfaces are on different subnets. My rules specify source/24 and destination/24, like yours, and are in pairs (source and destination address ranges exchange places). HTTP is one of the services I know works. Everything was set up through the Zentyal interface.

I don't clearly understand your overall address scheme (probably me). Could you describe that in more detail?

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News and Announcements / Re: Goodbye Christian

« on: March 21, 2014, 01:04:44 pm »

However, the most basic intention of being OpenSource is to have the same successful results of projects such as Linux - not to follow some OpenSource Religion.

I think it was in the film Revolution OS that Linus Torvalds said something to the effect that he hoped people used open source software not because of some sort of idealism but because it was better software.

That point of view has consequences. It doesn't follow from the success of the Linux kernel that it serves as a blueprint for success. If that were true, things would be different. For instance, the premise of Revolution OS would have come true. In that film, released in 2001, Eric Raymond tells the delightful story of meeting a Microsoft executive in an elevator and telling him, "I'm your worst nightmare." But has that really been the case these years later?

Another consequence is that there can be a difference between open source source software and the best software for a given task. Characterizing people who use Access as sheep or whatever, just as an example, isn't useful.

Any efforts to paint the open source software movement as a monolithic achievement and point of view are also betrayed by Linus's observation. It's clear that central figures in the free and open source movements are not all on the same page (or there wouldn't be two movements). I think Richard Stallman prioritizes things differently from Bruce Perens. Even if not, compare the Zentyal and Trisquel communities to see the difference I'm talking about. Maybe I'm safer saying that Zentyal's CEO looks at things differently from Richard Stallman.

In any case, Zentyal both as a product and as a project inherits all that back story, for good or ill. Only chaos knows. Debian and Ubuntu are distinct because the back story matters, or at least is presumed to matter. So it's hard for me to imagine, much less know, what pure open source outcomes even look like.

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Can no longer download VPN bundles in 3.3.5

« on: March 20, 2014, 12:30:08 am »

See: https://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,20919.0.html

Despite the topic title, the solution to the Zentyal 3.3 problem is in the bottom half of the topic.

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News and Announcements / Re: Goodbye Christian

« on: March 19, 2014, 10:00:17 pm »

Zentyal Development's current direction is not led by the community, plain and simple. Thus, factually making it not true OpenSource. Ultimately, this discourages community contribution.

Dont get me wrong. I am thankful, as im sure are many others, for the Zentyal project and the efforts of its staff. There just appear to be philosophical disagreements between Development and the community's main contributors.

If we can talk about this without injecting caricatures or a straw man into it, I'd like to pursue this a bit, for the sake of discussion.

In the interest of fairness, in my relatively brief participation here I've met more resistance form the community than from Zentyal staff.The local desktop and a transparent proxy seem to be favored targets for derision, for example, not from the developers, but from vocal community sources. In other words, I'm reluctant to ask even technical questions about either of these things (got bit doing that about monitors) because of the community rather than the developers. I mention that, again, to be fair.

Not that any of the developers helped me with the technical question. Just to be fair.

But what I'm more interested in is your thoughts on what I'll term open-source-open-development versus open-source-closed-development. I'd like to put it that way because Eric Raymond's work is clearly emotive. I'd like to avoid emotive conversation for the moment.

Zentyal strikes me as a classic case of open-source-closed-development. Not that I think Zentyal is literally closed development. The opposite is obviously true if you read about non-staff contributors. The constructive contrast is between sponsor-driven versus community or altruistic development models. I'm connecting closed development with sponsor-driven development.

It might be that as sponsors of an open source server management layer the primary responsibility of Zentyal staff is to listen to feedback on implementation, not direction.

Take the local desktop for example. The history of that feature as I understand it from these forums is that it was a feature adopted at community request. Now it is the object of some community derision. Communities can be fickle about direction. Whom does a development sponsor please?

Sticking with the local desktop example, the community apparently suggested a lighter weight DE, a matter of implementation. The developers adopted the community feedback on implementation and the issue dropped off the map.

Additionally, the true Raymond-style chaos action is happening upstream. Volatility is everywhere--GNOME, Samba, Ubuntu are easy examples. If I want to influence ClamAV development do I leverage that desire best by parking myself in the Zentyal forums?

I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm honestly interested in what you think. I have watched this battle play out countless times in various open source projects. Take phpBB as an example, something closer to an altruistic project than Zentyal, where people famously chaffed at the closed development model that characterized phpBB 2. How did changing the development model significantly change phpBB itself for the better?

And so on. Thanks for reading.

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Problem trying to download my vpn configuration

« on: March 17, 2014, 11:40:35 am »

Thanks but that problem is for zentyal 3.4 this problem is happening in zentyal-core 3.3.5.

The discussion of Zentyal 3.3 is toward the bottom of that topic (as noted above), including developer comments.

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Problem trying to download my vpn configuration

« on: March 16, 2014, 10:03:13 pm »

See:

https://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,20919.msg80314.html#msg80314

Scroll down to see information about Zentyal 3.3.

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: FTP module disabled but I can connect using FTP client

« on: March 16, 2014, 09:55:07 pm »

My recollection is that whatever module adds tftp it creates a tftp network service. Would it work to build a deny firewall rule on that service?

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: help installing zentyal

« on: March 16, 2014, 09:49:52 pm »

got an error when changed local.lan domain

Wouldn't the proper procedure be to add the public domain to DNS rather than replace the local (LAN) domain?

The configuration of this module is done through the DNS menu, where you can add as many domains and subdomains as required.

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: help installing zentyal

« on: March 16, 2014, 02:27:19 am »

so, my first question is: when i install zentyal, it ask me about hostname and domain. i have already an ubuntu server which works. tried to put "zentyal" as hostname, butwhat domain i must write here? the real one or an internal domain?

I don't recall being asked a domain name for either Zentyal 3.0 or Zentyal 3.2 during installation, only the host name. I have to "fix" the (internal) domain name after installation because during installation Zentyal picks up a domain from the modem. This is using the Zentyal installer.

In any case, the Installation and DNS sections of the Zentyal 3.3 documentation are not helping you?

if i switch my server to my old ubuntu (save god i don't reinstalled my old server!!!!!!!!!!!) everything works!

Did you configure this Ubuntu server?

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: FTP module disabled but I can connect using FTP client

« on: March 16, 2014, 02:13:05 am »

I am wondering if tftp is installed as part of the DHCP module, in connection with the thin client feature (no Zentyal machine at my location so couldn't investigate)?

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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Captive Portal, not recognize a specific group

« on: March 15, 2014, 02:45:59 pm »

The developers are reporting this fixed. (Apparently it applies to Zentyal 3.2 only.) I cannot confirm that my Zentyal 3.2 test machine is working properly until I'm on site, but this is almost certainly solved.