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Installation and Upgrades / Re: [SOLVED]Can I change email user authentication method?
« on: November 27, 2011, 09:57:16 pm »
I don't use imap, as on my HTC Sensation (Android), it has some issues :-) I use POP3 account. I am not sure what RoundCube uses, but I simply did not like usage of email form, which is created, when user account is added. E.g. my user account is called pekr, my nick name, so when I set-up such an user, default email created by system is pekr@domain.name. So I deleted it, and entered firstname.lastname@domain.name. So - actually you are correct - email name is being used, but I did not like it's form as provided when adding user accounts. Easy enough to adapt though ...
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Installation and Upgrades / [SOLVED]Re: Can I change email user authentication method?
« on: November 27, 2011, 07:00:02 pm »
Found the answer - when intially user account is created, new email is automatically created:
account-name@domain.name
The trick is to delete it, and enter the main alias you want to use for such an account, e.g.
name.lastname@domain.name
So now I can tell users to enter an email address to authenticate. Makes more sense for me now ...
account-name@domain.name
The trick is to delete it, and enter the main alias you want to use for such an account, e.g.
name.lastname@domain.name
So now I can tell users to enter an email address to authenticate. Makes more sense for me now ...
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Installation and Upgrades / [SOLVED]Can I change email user authentication method?
« on: November 27, 2011, 05:55:50 pm »
Hi,
I would like to change user's authentication to email and Roundcube. Recently, I have to use following form:
account-name@domain.name
I don't like it at all, and I would like to change it either to:
account-name
email (any alias), e.g. firstname.lastname@doman.com
As I think the latter is probably not easily possible, I would like to remove the need to have to enter @domain.name, both for Roundcube and when configuring Thunderbird clients (POP/IMAP protocol). I have especially problem with Roundcube, as users are not familiar with accountname@domain.name schema ...
Thanks,
Petr
I would like to change user's authentication to email and Roundcube. Recently, I have to use following form:
account-name@domain.name
I don't like it at all, and I would like to change it either to:
account-name
email (any alias), e.g. firstname.lastname@doman.com
As I think the latter is probably not easily possible, I would like to remove the need to have to enter @domain.name, both for Roundcube and when configuring Thunderbird clients (POP/IMAP protocol). I have especially problem with Roundcube, as users are not familiar with accountname@domain.name schema ...
Thanks,
Petr
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Newcomer - more options for email, FTP and HTTP services?
« on: November 27, 2011, 03:42:07 pm »
Well, I really have some difficulties at Zentyal email usage. I have following scenarios:
1) 3 projects/companies:
xidys.com
vertuzo.cz
2zone-media.cz
2) And I have xy domains:
xidys.com - xidys.cz, xidyscomp.cz, x-zone-internet.cz
vertuzo.cz - vertuzo.com, vertuzo-invision.cz, vertuzo-invision.com, vertuzoinvision.com, vertuzoinvision.cz
2zone-media.cz - 2zone.cz, 2zonemedia.cz
3) Now each of such a project, has a scenario of:
firstname.lastname@domain.name
info@domain.name
webmaster@domain.name
So, what I did was:
- define 3 virtual mail domains - xidys.com, vertuzo.cz, 2zone-media.cz, as shown in 1)
- define the rest of domains as their domain name aliases, as shown in 2)
- define user account, belonging to main domain, e.g. name.lastname@xidys.com, assuming all variants of name.lastname@xidys-variants will work, and indeed - it does work
So - is my aproach incorrect? If so, what are virtual mail domain aliases good for then? I am also experiencing some weird bug - if I try to add domain alias, I get the "Missing argument: row", and then I can not see the alias in the list, although internally, it is in there, as trying to add it again the server states, the alias already exists ...
I hope that now my intention is more clear, with real domain names, and project/companies structure?
1) 3 projects/companies:
xidys.com
vertuzo.cz
2zone-media.cz
2) And I have xy domains:
xidys.com - xidys.cz, xidyscomp.cz, x-zone-internet.cz
vertuzo.cz - vertuzo.com, vertuzo-invision.cz, vertuzo-invision.com, vertuzoinvision.com, vertuzoinvision.cz
2zone-media.cz - 2zone.cz, 2zonemedia.cz
3) Now each of such a project, has a scenario of:
firstname.lastname@domain.name
info@domain.name
webmaster@domain.name
So, what I did was:
- define 3 virtual mail domains - xidys.com, vertuzo.cz, 2zone-media.cz, as shown in 1)
- define the rest of domains as their domain name aliases, as shown in 2)
- define user account, belonging to main domain, e.g. name.lastname@xidys.com, assuming all variants of name.lastname@xidys-variants will work, and indeed - it does work
So - is my aproach incorrect? If so, what are virtual mail domain aliases good for then? I am also experiencing some weird bug - if I try to add domain alias, I get the "Missing argument: row", and then I can not see the alias in the list, although internally, it is in there, as trying to add it again the server states, the alias already exists ...
I hope that now my intention is more clear, with real domain names, and project/companies structure?
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Installation and Upgrades / Adding virtual mail domain alias - "Missing argument: row"
« on: November 27, 2011, 02:36:55 pm »
Hi,
when I try to add new alias for my second domain, I get "Missing argument: row" message. It is really annoying, as I can't see the alias in the list. I already tried to delete particular domain aliases, as well as a virtual domain, but still no luck adding it back.
Best regards,
Petr
when I try to add new alias for my second domain, I get "Missing argument: row" message. It is really annoying, as I can't see the alias in the list. I already tried to delete particular domain aliases, as well as a virtual domain, but still no luck adding it back.
Best regards,
Petr
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: SMTP authentication, when is it required?
« on: November 26, 2011, 08:26:56 pm »
Found the thread via search, I will add one question. I WANT to add an authentication. Docs state:
But - as can be seen in attached screenshot, there is no such section. Am I just blind? :-) Where are the fields to select such options?
Thanks,
Petr
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"You can manage the authentication options Through Mail ‣ General ‣ Mail server options ‣ Authentication."
But - as can be seen in attached screenshot, there is no such section. Am I just blind? :-) Where are the fields to select such options?
Thanks,
Petr
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Can I replace mikrotik with zentyal
« on: November 26, 2011, 03:41:44 pm »
I think that in fact I don't need to compare, becase while it might sound bold, I am already sure, what the answer is :-) In CZ, there is something like 40% of inet connectivity wi-fi based. I expect more than 95% of networks are using Mikrotik, and they are using it for a reason - deployment (netinstall), manageability (winbox, webbox, webfig), scriptability, easy setup of shaping/prioritisation, API, backup/recovery, failover and other advanced networking setup - all this done even from GUI.
I used Zentyal for 10 minutes, and no, you can't hide Linux from me :-) - I can't select admin name during install, because of stupid-who-cares-Ubuntu prerequisity, I am supposed to do setting in console to get users added to local admins, etc. All this creates burdens on users shoulders and adds to complexity in system manipulation area.
But - in fact we shoul not compare at all. ClearOS, Zentyal - those solutions are for completly different scenarios. You can't have many other usefull things those systems offer with MT. That's why I was just wondering, why the original poster is trying to use Zentyal as a router? Maybe he wants to have just one server, then I can unerstand, but why not to use both? MT is more of an appliance, than real Server.
I used Zentyal for 10 minutes, and no, you can't hide Linux from me :-) - I can't select admin name during install, because of stupid-who-cares-Ubuntu prerequisity, I am supposed to do setting in console to get users added to local admins, etc. All this creates burdens on users shoulders and adds to complexity in system manipulation area.
But - in fact we shoul not compare at all. ClearOS, Zentyal - those solutions are for completly different scenarios. You can't have many other usefull things those systems offer with MT. That's why I was just wondering, why the original poster is trying to use Zentyal as a router? Maybe he wants to have just one server, then I can unerstand, but why not to use both? MT is more of an appliance, than real Server.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Can I replace mikrotik with zentyal
« on: November 26, 2011, 01:54:35 pm »
I am new to Zentyal, but we run over 60 mikrotik routers. MT is imo one of the best platforms, as far as routing goes. And why? You can quite easily do simple or even sophisticated configs. Winbox is a gem. All other Linux based products should really learn, how to completly hide Linux complexities from users. So - trying to replace MT by Zentyal for the purposes MT does really well, is imo very weird aproach.
I am eg here from very opposite reason - to add web and mail server to our MT based wifi network :-)
I could be more usefull by giving you an advice, but I use Zentyal in standalone mode, with only one network card, so can't try any shaping stuff ...
Petr
edit: corrected tonnes of typos caused by entering my post on a cell phone :-)
I am eg here from very opposite reason - to add web and mail server to our MT based wifi network :-)
I could be more usefull by giving you an advice, but I use Zentyal in standalone mode, with only one network card, so can't try any shaping stuff ...
Petr
edit: corrected tonnes of typos caused by entering my post on a cell phone :-)
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Admin username selection?
« on: November 26, 2011, 11:03:17 am »Hello -pekr-,
thanks a lots for you comments. As you see this confusion stems for the fact that we have the 'local' users and the LDAP stored users (if we have user modules enabled).
Maybe the solution would be show both types of users in the user screen?. But in this case other problem arise: you cannot do th same operations with 'local' user than with LDAP users (and some local users you would not be allowed to modify at all). This will also be confusing, but it will be less or it will be more than the actual situation?. The work to arrange a solution along this lines will be worth or not?
Hmm, difficult to say, as I am not able to foresee all the consequences. The main reason why I objected, was because of my lack of understanding from docs. So first time I did install the system, I entered "pekr" user as an admin. But then, of course, I wanted to have emails, aliases configured. So I tried to add it in LDAP, but system did not allow me to. So my opinion in general is:
1) Improve eventually docs. One or two sentences, stating you are entering local administrator account, which you will not be able to modify/configure easily later.
2) Allow the same name to exist, as an LDAP user. But here, I am not sure it is possible, and I am not sure, it would not be confusing. Because having two "pekr" users in the system, one being local admin, the second one being regular user, is not probably good aproach. E.g. what about emails going to local admin - would those two names share the same one? Or is LDAP user still a regular system user, so we can't have two users of the same name, one being local, one in LDAP?
3) You have System/main section, which server for some general settings purposes. You could add new section here - local admin, allowing to enter new users here, being local admins, plus their respective configuration, which is different from LDAP needs
4) The most complex - during the user set-up, choose if the user is in LDAP or local. Then in user list, one column would differentiate it by "local" | "LDAP" text. But this solution might turn being complex, and maybe 3) is easier solution ...
Best regards,
Petr
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Newcomer - more options for email, FTP and HTTP services?
« on: November 24, 2011, 10:25:10 am »Domain alias is for domain while account alias is for account...not joking, it looks stupid but this is the way it works.
As a result, if testtown.com is a mail domain alias for testone.com, mail sent to whoever@testtwo.com will be delivered to whoever@testone.com, assunming such mail address exists, obviously.
In such case, there is no need to define alias on per user basis because this is handled at domain level.
Well, no matter how I try, your above description does not work, or I don't know, what I am doing wrong :-( I have following scenario:
domains: company.com, company.cz, companycomputers.cz
user: mynick
Desired result: name.lastname@company.com, name.lastname@company.cz, name.lastname@companycomputers.cz delivered to mynick account.
So, what I did was:
- added new virtual domain: company.com
- added domain alias for company.com: company.cz, companycomputers.cz
- added new account: mynick
- assigning new user alias: name.lastname@company.com
Now - emails sent to name.lastname@company.com work. I expected that sending emails to name.lastname@company.cz and name.lastname@companycomputers.cz will work as well, but they don't. Such emails bounce with following errors:
Trying to send to name.lastname@xidys.cz:
550 smtp; 550 5.1.1 <name.lastname@company.cz>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table
I also got following message, but don't remember what I did (I experimented with adding company.cz domain separately):
554 smtp; 554 5.7.1 <name.lastname@company.cz>: Relay access denied
I have still have to be missing something obvious :-(
Cheers,
Petr
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Admin username selection?
« on: November 24, 2011, 08:21:43 am »
I work with many systems, and as far as design goes, I very often can see, that architects are not able to protect user from hiding system complexities. I tend to be vocal and harsh sometimes, but what I am used for is a consistency review or quick testing, finding misconceptions in seconds or minutes. Now - I am not fully fluent with Linux, so I might be wrong in some opinions and sorry for that, but if I am eventually right about some inconsistencies, those should be imo cured, as it helps to provide smoother user experience, and such a factor should not be depreciated ...
So it is a "feature" of Ubuntu to not allow local "admin" username, you said. This is what I regard being an artificial limitation user should NOT be dragged into. The limitation should be either removed by Zentyal, or noted in the documentation. Docs state: "Later, the administrator name is requested.". It is pretty obvious, one will try with "admin", as a shortcut to longer form "administrator". Sentence like "Note: you can't use "admin" name, as it is taken by Ubuntu installer. Use a longer form "administrator", or any other name" ... voila, done.
Well, now it is another confusion. I can easily add "admin" group in the Zentyal portal. This group surely is different from the local admin group. I don't see a reason, why should I go to console to do any set-up work manually - should be definitely part of the portal, e.g. in System/Main section¨, so that I can add LDAP defined user to local admin group. Or even better - just add one column (parameter) to user/group section - (LDAP | Local), but definitely list added users and related existing groups in the portal - no hidden entities as far as administration of the system goes?
Another confusion - you say, that those user lists differ (LDAP vs local), but when I try to add "administrator" user in the LDAP, it screams that such a user name already exists (choosed during installation), whereas when I try to add "admin" group, it can be added to LDAP with no problem, although you state, that "admin" group already exists. This is inconsistent at best imo ;-)
So it is a "feature" of Ubuntu to not allow local "admin" username, you said. This is what I regard being an artificial limitation user should NOT be dragged into. The limitation should be either removed by Zentyal, or noted in the documentation. Docs state: "Later, the administrator name is requested.". It is pretty obvious, one will try with "admin", as a shortcut to longer form "administrator". Sentence like "Note: you can't use "admin" name, as it is taken by Ubuntu installer. Use a longer form "administrator", or any other name" ... voila, done.
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"You don't have to add the admin group, it already exists by default on all the Ubuntu installations."
Well, now it is another confusion. I can easily add "admin" group in the Zentyal portal. This group surely is different from the local admin group. I don't see a reason, why should I go to console to do any set-up work manually - should be definitely part of the portal, e.g. in System/Main section¨, so that I can add LDAP defined user to local admin group. Or even better - just add one column (parameter) to user/group section - (LDAP | Local), but definitely list added users and related existing groups in the portal - no hidden entities as far as administration of the system goes?
Another confusion - you say, that those user lists differ (LDAP vs local), but when I try to add "administrator" user in the LDAP, it screams that such a user name already exists (choosed during installation), whereas when I try to add "admin" group, it can be added to LDAP with no problem, although you state, that "admin" group already exists. This is inconsistent at best imo ;-)
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Installation and Upgrades / Admin username selection?
« on: November 23, 2011, 06:31:30 pm »
Hi, I am kind of confused about how Zentyal (Ubuntu) aproaches its administration.
1) I choosed my nick to be an admin, thinking I can use such an account regularly. But I can't - the user can't be seen in the user list. Why? Just to not accidentally delete it or because of security measures?
2) OK, I thought to myself - such an user, is not normal user, so no other settings like adding it to certain group, providing the account with the email, fileshare, etc., are not welcomed. So next time I tried to install Zentyal over the ESXi, I decided to go with the "admin" name, as we use such an account on many mikrotik routers. What a bummer - the name is taken - installator did not allow me to choose "admin" for the account name. Why the heck is Zentyal internally taking such a good name to have admin account? I don't want to come-up with any articifial name for an admin, just to be an admin.
3) Taken from docs: "Any user you later add to the admin group can access the Zentyal interface and has sudo privileges in the system." - what admin group? There's not any predefined one in the dashboard part. If I am supposed to add "admin" group myself, now this is pretty artificial, and should be noted in docs as well imo ...
-pekr-
1) I choosed my nick to be an admin, thinking I can use such an account regularly. But I can't - the user can't be seen in the user list. Why? Just to not accidentally delete it or because of security measures?
2) OK, I thought to myself - such an user, is not normal user, so no other settings like adding it to certain group, providing the account with the email, fileshare, etc., are not welcomed. So next time I tried to install Zentyal over the ESXi, I decided to go with the "admin" name, as we use such an account on many mikrotik routers. What a bummer - the name is taken - installator did not allow me to choose "admin" for the account name. Why the heck is Zentyal internally taking such a good name to have admin account? I don't want to come-up with any articifial name for an admin, just to be an admin.
3) Taken from docs: "Any user you later add to the admin group can access the Zentyal interface and has sudo privileges in the system." - what admin group? There's not any predefined one in the dashboard part. If I am supposed to add "admin" group myself, now this is pretty artificial, and should be noted in docs as well imo ...
-pekr-
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Installation and Upgrades / How can I access spam quarantine?
« on: November 21, 2011, 02:04:11 pm »
Hello,
tried to search forums and Internet first, but found no answer yet. Is there a way of how to access spam quarantine? If not from within the portal, then is there any spamassassin related service running on certain port, so that I can access it via browser?
My intention is to being able to see the spam message queue, and to eventually release an email, or to purge the queue, which in fact can get longer and longer.
Any options?
Thanks,
Petr
tried to search forums and Internet first, but found no answer yet. Is there a way of how to access spam quarantine? If not from within the portal, then is there any spamassassin related service running on certain port, so that I can access it via browser?
My intention is to being able to see the spam message queue, and to eventually release an email, or to purge the queue, which in fact can get longer and longer.
Any options?
Thanks,
Petr
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Newcomer - more options for email, FTP and HTTP services?
« on: November 21, 2011, 10:21:07 am »You could try something like... Zentyal
Joke aside, if your goal is to have something "Windows like", my real advice is that you stay on Microsoft Windows side.
OK, here's my position - I work as an IT manager for one corporation. That means - you know that kind of guys, right? We like to talk into everything, but going down deep into details, we are often lost in the water, right? :-) My - jokes aside - opinion is - there's no free lunch. I am a REBOL addict, former Amiga user, and one of the principles I like is - simplicity. Today's world is pretty much complex, so what I am looking for is a - balance. And so far, what I saw with Zentyal - you are very good. I am kind of surprised - last time I checked (2-3 years ago, E-box, Ubuntu), FTP module was not even available and as for Ubuntu itself - you know us lamers - we need Midninght commander for SSH available :-) So back at the time, I went with CentOS, as I was used to Fedora at least a bit. For now, I think I will switch to Zentyal, though I did not try back-up and recovery stuff yet (well, mirrored disks and vmware esxi might be my friends to consider too).
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QuoteBack to my initial email - I can probably live with no ability to alias virtual hosts using GUI, as I can add the ServerAlias directive to the Apache virtual host config myself (hopefully it does not get overwritten, when I edit the domain in GUI.)
Yes, this can be done easily. For this one you could create a new post in "feature request" section.
OK, will do so ...
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Did you notice that if you configure your virtual server to point to user's home directory, you will achieve - at least partially - what you expect here? Well, this might not be the perfect implementation but if publishing using FTP is a must, you can do it this way.
Well, it might do the trick, though I thought that it would be nice to have websites at one subdir, for the easy backup, but I will definitely try it. I also thought about possibly using Samba share over the web content dir, but not sure it can be accessed remotely using ome webdav or so ...
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You could also deactivate limitation to home directory (although we all agree this is not very safe).NO :-)
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In any case, FTP based publishing will be an issue, whatever the design, as soon as you will want to share it among multiple accounts for single web site. I would rather suggest to use CMs approach
Well, simplicity again, remember? :-) Should I use Wordpress, Joomla, Drupal, SharePoint, RedDot? I just say - not yet, not necessarily. The last thing I need for the simple company server needs is another complex dependencies to recover, when things crash.
I think this thread might be closed. It is clear FTP module is not really well integrated with the rest of the system, which is a pity imo, but at least some workarounds exists. Zentyal also does not have something like ClearOS Flexshare FTP access, when user accesses FTP with his own credentials, and can be defined to have access to various directories. But - I can create one special user for one website to administer, so not a big deal.
Thanks,
Petr
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Newcomer - more options for email, FTP and HTTP services?
« on: November 21, 2011, 08:15:05 am »
As for my initial post - I now might have everything I need for email, the way I use them. As for basic understanding - I am no linux guru, it is just sometimes it is a bit difficult to understand, what some GUI setting means in the low level. In the past I tried webmin, and found out, that I was constanly checking text configs, what particular setting in GUI is doing in low level, and left webmin as a complex and not much usefull thing for me. But - I need a GUI for other guys in company, to do simple stuff as add new users, etc., otherwise I would go directly at /etc/postfix, and do everything in there, not bothering using GUI :-)
Back to my initial email - I can probably live with no ability to alias virtual hosts using GUI, as I can add the ServerAlias directive to the Apache virtual host config myself (hopefully it does not get overwritten, when I edit the domain in GUI.)
But - what I definitely miss is the simple solution to upload FTP content. I can search the forum, and see various requests since 2 years, mostly not answered at all. Ppl were expecting, for 2.x, that they will be some more options to FTP. I would expect - at user settings, checkbox if to create FTP acces or not (as there is File sharing account). I know you use a bit different aproach, generally allowing personal home directory access at FTP module level. But I would revert it, discard the option, and add it at user level. And then - the ability to set root dir for such an FTP account, so that I can have an account to easily upload webserver content.
So actually - this is my "most/last missed" feature now - how to upload website content via FTP easily? If I resolve this one easily, I am in for a Zentyal :-) I can edit config myself, I just don't want it being overwritten, when I do some GUI change. So -what's the solution to upload FTP content to be served by Apache?
Thanks,
Petr
Back to my initial email - I can probably live with no ability to alias virtual hosts using GUI, as I can add the ServerAlias directive to the Apache virtual host config myself (hopefully it does not get overwritten, when I edit the domain in GUI.)
But - what I definitely miss is the simple solution to upload FTP content. I can search the forum, and see various requests since 2 years, mostly not answered at all. Ppl were expecting, for 2.x, that they will be some more options to FTP. I would expect - at user settings, checkbox if to create FTP acces or not (as there is File sharing account). I know you use a bit different aproach, generally allowing personal home directory access at FTP module level. But I would revert it, discard the option, and add it at user level. And then - the ability to set root dir for such an FTP account, so that I can have an account to easily upload webserver content.
So actually - this is my "most/last missed" feature now - how to upload website content via FTP easily? If I resolve this one easily, I am in for a Zentyal :-) I can edit config myself, I just don't want it being overwritten, when I do some GUI change. So -what's the solution to upload FTP content to be served by Apache?
Thanks,
Petr