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Installation and Upgrades / Zentyal 3.3 - A Magnificent Fail
« on: December 20, 2013, 12:03:38 am »
Z3.2, well, that was a disaster. A huge number of patches and it still couldn't serve files.
Where were the members of the Zentyal hierarchy? Nowhere to be seen on this forum with the exception of what would appear to be the usual expert suspects with their excuses and fawning admiration of the latest release, which, in the case of z3.2, is a complete brat.
Seen on this forum were comments to the fore that it was great at this, not so great as that, really bloody awful at some but overall, if you read the Zentyal hype on the main website, a real alternative to a certain other server package, as in "Easy IT for Small Business A native Microsoft-compatible, all-in-one IT backoffice".
It's not. Simple as that.
It's broken, faulted, incomplete. A server application which cannot serve files is no server at all. It has even been admitted by a Zentyal fanboy that he/she (mmm, maybe fangirl, then?) uses yet another box, another solution, to serve files. No 'all-in-one' bit there then.
After three months of struggling with the blood sucking z3.2, personally, I have, on one system, regressed to core 3.0.26, for the time being with absolutely no upgrades. File sharing is no problem, no hassle. It just works. At least, for me. My other system has now been changed to something else. That took a couple of hours but works as expected and required.
I have left a small system grinding away on z3.2, just for the hell of it. Definitely an S&M server. I thought, yup, give it a go so I followed the invitation to upgrade to z3.3. Much like others, apparently, it screwed. It even told me that a package wasn't fully configured, one that I had never installed, suricata if you want, and spewed out loads of dpkg errors.
Zentyal, no, nope, not going there again. For the best part of forty years in IT or what used to be termed as data processing, networks and the like, this z3.2 and its feral z3.3 offspring is a dog. Heard too many promises of super upgrades and promised bug fixes heading towards the unattainable nirvanah.
According to Zentyal, the Community version and the Corporate version are the same or if you watch the recent presentation, they're not or rather, won't be. Not exactly a great starting point to demonstrate the abilities of an unknown package to prospective paying customers as is exactly what I was doing. If you haven't seen the video and have absolutely nothing worthwhile to do as in absolutely nothing, try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDQqkqkOJKo
It's dreadful.
I don't know how many paying customers Zentyal has but judging by the comparitively low activity on this community forum, those commercial clients must have no problems. At all.
Where were the members of the Zentyal hierarchy? Nowhere to be seen on this forum with the exception of what would appear to be the usual expert suspects with their excuses and fawning admiration of the latest release, which, in the case of z3.2, is a complete brat.
Seen on this forum were comments to the fore that it was great at this, not so great as that, really bloody awful at some but overall, if you read the Zentyal hype on the main website, a real alternative to a certain other server package, as in "Easy IT for Small Business A native Microsoft-compatible, all-in-one IT backoffice".
It's not. Simple as that.
It's broken, faulted, incomplete. A server application which cannot serve files is no server at all. It has even been admitted by a Zentyal fanboy that he/she (mmm, maybe fangirl, then?) uses yet another box, another solution, to serve files. No 'all-in-one' bit there then.
After three months of struggling with the blood sucking z3.2, personally, I have, on one system, regressed to core 3.0.26, for the time being with absolutely no upgrades. File sharing is no problem, no hassle. It just works. At least, for me. My other system has now been changed to something else. That took a couple of hours but works as expected and required.
I have left a small system grinding away on z3.2, just for the hell of it. Definitely an S&M server. I thought, yup, give it a go so I followed the invitation to upgrade to z3.3. Much like others, apparently, it screwed. It even told me that a package wasn't fully configured, one that I had never installed, suricata if you want, and spewed out loads of dpkg errors.
Zentyal, no, nope, not going there again. For the best part of forty years in IT or what used to be termed as data processing, networks and the like, this z3.2 and its feral z3.3 offspring is a dog. Heard too many promises of super upgrades and promised bug fixes heading towards the unattainable nirvanah.
According to Zentyal, the Community version and the Corporate version are the same or if you watch the recent presentation, they're not or rather, won't be. Not exactly a great starting point to demonstrate the abilities of an unknown package to prospective paying customers as is exactly what I was doing. If you haven't seen the video and have absolutely nothing worthwhile to do as in absolutely nothing, try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDQqkqkOJKo
It's dreadful.
I don't know how many paying customers Zentyal has but judging by the comparitively low activity on this community forum, those commercial clients must have no problems. At all.
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Installation and Upgrades / Zentyal 3.3 - The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life....
« on: December 17, 2013, 04:34:53 am »
Zentyal 42 might be cool in a future or parallel time, but having suffered the screaming pains of the disfunctional z3.2 and the fawning comments of its excuse ready adherents, I thought...
Gasping for a solution, any solution to the glaring failures of z3.2, the way out was offered in the multitude of upgrades seductively enticed by the latest opportunity tofix upgrade Zentyal. (hoho...see below).
Having upgraded, deleted, reinstalled, shot the dog, purged, got drunk (again), nearly had sex with the ex wife and/or her boy/girl friend (ehm, remember the 'drunk' bit) all of it seperately and maybe at the same time, what is displayed on the near useless GUI......
E: Error: BrokenCount > 0 system updates
What in hell's name is that?
Now, keep it coming. There really has to be a story to this.
There is, naturally, more. For example, zentyal-samba and printers refuse to be removed/purged and end up with a whole pile of apt failures, all of which seem to depend on which fnkcui key is depressed and, of course, which way your arse is headed at the time.
File Sharing and Printers have vanished from the GUI. Well, file sharing is no loss as it was knackered anyway but the printing bit is a problem. CUPS is dead, no :631.
I am just so fed up with this which was not so bad in its previous icarnation.
Yup, getting a bit angry. Did you notice?
Comments?
Oh, just a bit of an addon... Terminal is proud to inform:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
zentyal-samba : Depends: zentyal-core (< 3.3) but 3.3 is installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f
Now between a rock and a hard place. Can't update, upgrade, -f, purge, smack the cat, delete, kill locks.
This 3.3 thing just seems, thus far, to be piling more on the previous heap.
Gasping for a solution, any solution to the glaring failures of z3.2, the way out was offered in the multitude of upgrades seductively enticed by the latest opportunity to
Having upgraded, deleted, reinstalled, shot the dog, purged, got drunk (again), nearly had sex with the ex wife and/or her boy/girl friend (ehm, remember the 'drunk' bit) all of it seperately and maybe at the same time, what is displayed on the near useless GUI......
E: Error: BrokenCount > 0 system updates
What in hell's name is that?
Now, keep it coming. There really has to be a story to this.
There is, naturally, more. For example, zentyal-samba and printers refuse to be removed/purged and end up with a whole pile of apt failures, all of which seem to depend on which fnkcui key is depressed and, of course, which way your arse is headed at the time.
File Sharing and Printers have vanished from the GUI. Well, file sharing is no loss as it was knackered anyway but the printing bit is a problem. CUPS is dead, no :631.
I am just so fed up with this which was not so bad in its previous icarnation.
Yup, getting a bit angry. Did you notice?
Comments?
Oh, just a bit of an addon... Terminal is proud to inform:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
zentyal-samba : Depends: zentyal-core (< 3.3) but 3.3 is installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f
Now between a rock and a hard place. Can't update, upgrade, -f, purge, smack the cat, delete, kill locks.
This 3.3 thing just seems, thus far, to be piling more on the previous heap.
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Installation and Upgrades / Another day, another samba ... 3.2.11
« on: December 02, 2013, 11:16:59 pm »
With bated breath, I noticed the updates. Could it be that z3.2 will now work as a file server, actually being able to serve...files?
After all, we're now into the third month since z3.2 was released and now with Zentyal's version of samba at number eleven, surely, at last, it will actually work. After all, a server without file sharing capability is like a pig without trotters.
Anyway, updates all done, even rebooted it which was quite brave as the system is remote, and keyed in the details of a small testshare under /mnt. What happens? Well, back to,
Some modules reported error when saving changes . More information on the logs in /var/log/zentyal/
The following modules failed while saving their changes, their state is unknown: samba
I'm not even going to post log output as zentyal.log has told me more made up stories and lies than a politician caught with his hand in the till. As far as posting another bug, pointless, as samba entries have moved in an taken that over.
Still doesn't work. samba 3.2.99 anyone?
Enjoy your day.
After all, we're now into the third month since z3.2 was released and now with Zentyal's version of samba at number eleven, surely, at last, it will actually work. After all, a server without file sharing capability is like a pig without trotters.
Anyway, updates all done, even rebooted it which was quite brave as the system is remote, and keyed in the details of a small testshare under /mnt. What happens? Well, back to,
Some modules reported error when saving changes . More information on the logs in /var/log/zentyal/
The following modules failed while saving their changes, their state is unknown: samba
I'm not even going to post log output as zentyal.log has told me more made up stories and lies than a politician caught with his hand in the till. As far as posting another bug, pointless, as samba entries have moved in an taken that over.
Still doesn't work. samba 3.2.99 anyone?
Enjoy your day.
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Installation and Upgrades / Zentyal 3.2: Samba, the Dawn of Something Else
« on: November 29, 2013, 12:09:57 am »
Samba, File Sharing, etc 3.2.10 - another number, another problem. The excitement just doesn't go away. Prior to 3.2.10, I was growing older and very grey staring at that 67% thingy. No matter how much I loved that number, it just wouldn't budge.
Now, harken, a new one! Whilst attempting to create a share, and since the start of the z3.2 saga, none has been successful, this one pops up, "The mount point '/mnt/xxxx' must be mounted with 'acl' option. This is required for permissions to work properly."
Now, other than digging into terminal and mucking around with setting acls and other things, which I really thought was supposed to be the job of the Zentyal frontend, how does one get around this one?
Tried a brand new test share, yet again (not any of the existing ones) under /mnt/xxx and still it stubbornly sticks at the dreaded 67%. There are a lot, an awful lot of files in the attempted share but no further forward after leaving it growling its 67% all night. Top shows no great sign of activity from samba or any of its friends other than an initial burst for a few seconds.
I feel as though, with z3.2, the will to live is quickly ebbing away.
Now, harken, a new one! Whilst attempting to create a share, and since the start of the z3.2 saga, none has been successful, this one pops up, "The mount point '/mnt/xxxx' must be mounted with 'acl' option. This is required for permissions to work properly."
Now, other than digging into terminal and mucking around with setting acls and other things, which I really thought was supposed to be the job of the Zentyal frontend, how does one get around this one?
Tried a brand new test share, yet again (not any of the existing ones) under /mnt/xxx and still it stubbornly sticks at the dreaded 67%. There are a lot, an awful lot of files in the attempted share but no further forward after leaving it growling its 67% all night. Top shows no great sign of activity from samba or any of its friends other than an initial burst for a few seconds.
I feel as though, with z3.2, the will to live is quickly ebbing away.
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