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News and Announcements / Re: Zentyal 4.0 Roadmap Published!
« on: August 19, 2014, 08:24:20 am »Jose I had a go with Zarafa and my logic was to get it up and running on 3.5 and then get the Zentyal module going.
With a lot of major changes also about to take part with the move to 3.5 > 4.0 I just feel its pointless creating a module yet.
I did have a go at just repackaging the zarafa module with zbuildtools but it failed and like I say it doesn't feel like it would be worth while yet.
When 4.0 is released I will have to see how things go but so far the reverse proxy and removal of apache seem large obstacles but until 4.0 I dunno.
Well, daily builds of 4.0 will be available very soon, and they will include most of the changes already, so maybe you can start working on that without wait for the final release
In any case, thanks for your effort trying to resurrect the module!
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News and Announcements / Re: Zentyal 4.0 Roadmap Published!
« on: August 14, 2014, 08:56:43 am »Saludos a la comunidad
Me pueden explicar porque estan quitandole funcionalidad a Zentyal con cada nueva version, creo que deberian aumentarle, ya que desde la version 3.0 que quitaron el modulo de Asterisk a mi forma de ver fue un error, y en esta nueva version que saldrá en octubre quitan el IDS, Webserver, Radius, que va a pasar luego solo quedaran el modulo de DNS y NTP.
Comprendo que Zentyal busca reemplazar a Windows Server, sin embargo el enfoque que yo conocía era de un servidor ALL IN ONE, pero con estas nuevas versiones esta dejando de serlo.
Hi, I've tried to explain everything in these two posts:
https://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,22671.msg87700.html#msg87700
https://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,22671.msg88221.html#msg88221
You can use google translator if you need help with the English, if you still have any doubt after reading that, please ask in the Spanish forum:
https://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/board,6.0.html
Thanks!
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News and Announcements / Re: Zentyal 4.0 Roadmap Published!
« on: August 12, 2014, 07:43:05 pm »
There have been a lot of new replies since my last one, so I'm going to try to clarify your doubts again.
I see that some of you have already understood the change of direction from "All in One" to Active Exchange, so, first of all, thank you for your understanding
There is no way back from this switch from the company point of view, if the goal is focus on a rock solid and complete Active Directory / Exchange replacement, any other effort from the company resources would go on the opposite direction. Anyway we are commited to help as much as possible community members wanting to maintaining them, but we need to see some real action (fork + pull requests in github), so far although we haven't received too much of them, we've always been very open to integrate community contributions (network bonding is an example of feature developed by the community).
As some of you have also pointed out, there is the possibility to have Zentyal as a virtual instance inside of other Gateway machine if you don't want to have two separate servers, but as we've said at all moment, we will also provide documentation on how to deploy the missing services on a Zentyal server (we've started already writing that documentation and there will be completed and published in the following months).
My guess is that, instead of an "all in one" with a lot of half-cooked functionality and bugs, users would prefer a smaller set of functionality that just work and where they can supplement the missing functionality with other more specific and complete solutions. For example RADIUS module is not working right now, some of you say that the removal of it doesn't make any sense, having broken stuff probably doesn't have any sense either, and maintaining it properly is not the main priority right now (this doesn't mean that it can't be resurrected in the future if there is high demand for it), and of course documentation on how to set up RADIUS on a Zentyal server will be provided.
Some of you also tell us: "listen to the users and customers. they ask and you should provide", well, that's exactly what we're doing, if you haven't guessed yet, we can openly tell you: there is a high demand for an stable Active Directory and Exchange replacement between of customers, we wish if we could fulfill also the expectations of all the users (including non-paying ones), but I'm afraid that's not possible, resources are limited.
Regarding the "Zentyal Gateway" fork, I want to clarify: we don't have anything against that (for example if someone wants to make a custom Zentyal installer with all the gateways modules being included and installed by default), but this is not the only option, we have no special interest in the "fork", I mean, if there are people really wanting to maintain the modules moved to contrib, we will be wanting to host the contrib package repo in our servers (and give permissions to upload the packages to the maintainers), and any user would be able to add this repo to its Zentyal server and install those additional modules, no need of a fork at all. Another clarification: when I talk about forking in github I mean of course for doing the pull request later and integrate those changes back in the Zentyal repo, that's the spirit of Open Source I think.
About if Zentyal would move contributed modules to the main section of repository, the answer is that only if they make sense as Active Directory / Exchange replacement or there is no other better specific replacement, if it doesn't meet these requirements they will continue forever as community maintained modules. Please note that Ubuntu also works this way, they have a main section officially supported by Canonical and universe/multiverse repos unsupported and maintained directly by the community.
Regarding the questions about the configuration backup without the "free account", it doesn't mean no configuration backup for community, just the opposite: free configuration backup for everybody without needing to register your server to Zentyal Remote nor provide any other data (only your email address so you can recover your backup in case of need).
For the ones requesting the list of all the contrib modules, you can find it at https://github.com/Zentyal/zentyal/tree/master/contrib But note that not all of them have been removed from main, some of them were always community modules.
Finally, about fetchmail functionality (and user corner removal), we are not getting back the old User Corner module with is generic and complex design, but as we've restored already the fetchmail functionality in the Zentyal administration UI, we plan also to provide a simpler replacement for user password changes and fetchmail configuration as soon as possible.
I see that some of you have already understood the change of direction from "All in One" to Active Exchange, so, first of all, thank you for your understanding
There is no way back from this switch from the company point of view, if the goal is focus on a rock solid and complete Active Directory / Exchange replacement, any other effort from the company resources would go on the opposite direction. Anyway we are commited to help as much as possible community members wanting to maintaining them, but we need to see some real action (fork + pull requests in github), so far although we haven't received too much of them, we've always been very open to integrate community contributions (network bonding is an example of feature developed by the community).
As some of you have also pointed out, there is the possibility to have Zentyal as a virtual instance inside of other Gateway machine if you don't want to have two separate servers, but as we've said at all moment, we will also provide documentation on how to deploy the missing services on a Zentyal server (we've started already writing that documentation and there will be completed and published in the following months).
My guess is that, instead of an "all in one" with a lot of half-cooked functionality and bugs, users would prefer a smaller set of functionality that just work and where they can supplement the missing functionality with other more specific and complete solutions. For example RADIUS module is not working right now, some of you say that the removal of it doesn't make any sense, having broken stuff probably doesn't have any sense either, and maintaining it properly is not the main priority right now (this doesn't mean that it can't be resurrected in the future if there is high demand for it), and of course documentation on how to set up RADIUS on a Zentyal server will be provided.
Some of you also tell us: "listen to the users and customers. they ask and you should provide", well, that's exactly what we're doing, if you haven't guessed yet, we can openly tell you: there is a high demand for an stable Active Directory and Exchange replacement between of customers, we wish if we could fulfill also the expectations of all the users (including non-paying ones), but I'm afraid that's not possible, resources are limited.
Regarding the "Zentyal Gateway" fork, I want to clarify: we don't have anything against that (for example if someone wants to make a custom Zentyal installer with all the gateways modules being included and installed by default), but this is not the only option, we have no special interest in the "fork", I mean, if there are people really wanting to maintain the modules moved to contrib, we will be wanting to host the contrib package repo in our servers (and give permissions to upload the packages to the maintainers), and any user would be able to add this repo to its Zentyal server and install those additional modules, no need of a fork at all. Another clarification: when I talk about forking in github I mean of course for doing the pull request later and integrate those changes back in the Zentyal repo, that's the spirit of Open Source I think.
About if Zentyal would move contributed modules to the main section of repository, the answer is that only if they make sense as Active Directory / Exchange replacement or there is no other better specific replacement, if it doesn't meet these requirements they will continue forever as community maintained modules. Please note that Ubuntu also works this way, they have a main section officially supported by Canonical and universe/multiverse repos unsupported and maintained directly by the community.
Regarding the questions about the configuration backup without the "free account", it doesn't mean no configuration backup for community, just the opposite: free configuration backup for everybody without needing to register your server to Zentyal Remote nor provide any other data (only your email address so you can recover your backup in case of need).
For the ones requesting the list of all the contrib modules, you can find it at https://github.com/Zentyal/zentyal/tree/master/contrib But note that not all of them have been removed from main, some of them were always community modules.
Finally, about fetchmail functionality (and user corner removal), we are not getting back the old User Corner module with is generic and complex design, but as we've restored already the fetchmail functionality in the Zentyal administration UI, we plan also to provide a simpler replacement for user password changes and fetchmail configuration as soon as possible.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Zarafa community module & development
« on: August 06, 2014, 05:55:26 pm »
Thanks for pointing the missing dependencies.
About Zarafa, we don't have any .deb for Ubuntu 14.04, you should get them directly from Zarafa (if they already provide them, which I'm not sure), or build from their sources.
About Zarafa, we don't have any .deb for Ubuntu 14.04, you should get them directly from Zarafa (if they already provide them, which I'm not sure), or build from their sources.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: 3.5 documentation error
« on: August 04, 2014, 03:15:52 pm »
I've updated the script, thanks for reporting!
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News and Announcements / Re: Zentyal 4.0 Roadmap Published!
« on: July 31, 2014, 12:21:03 pm »
Hi all,
As many of you have raised more or less the same concerns, instead of replying separatily I'm going to try to clarify all your doubts in this post.
First of all, about the dropped modules, as the roadmap announcement says: "Documentation will be provided on configuring some of these services with specific software and naturally, community members interested in maintaining any of these modules will be warmly welcome."
This means that we will write some documentation about suggested specific replacements like Bacula for data backup, etc. Of course community will be very welcome to improve and extend these documentation (as some of you already pointed out).
Also, for people interested in keeping maintaining the modules in the contrib section, we've written already some quick documentation about it:
https://wiki.zentyal.org/wiki/Building_and_maintaining_a_contrib_Zentyal_module
Maybe is not enough but it may be a good starting point and we will be commited to improve it and help anyone with real interest in helping with that.
Please remind that (as some of you were also wondering), Zentyal has been always a modular platform, and even with less officially maintained module, this has not changed at all. Nothing prevents you to build and install existing modules in contrib, or even create your own ones (and of course share them with the rest of the community!).
About suggestions like creating different boxes like "Zentyal Active Exchange" and "Zentyal Gateway", the thing is we don't have infinite resources, and to provide a really good Active Exchange we *need* to focus on that. The work required to maintain modules properly is more than you may think, to give a quick example, is not only about if a module "works" or not (as you have raised the issue that some of the dropped modules just work), you also have to care about them during the upgrades , you need to ensure you don't break them with any change in the core framework, etc. Anyway, if some community members want to fork their own "Zentyal Gateway" distribution with modules like RADIUS, IPS or even new ones, we won't have any problem with that, even we will be willing to help as much as possible.
By the way, about the external mail retrieval (fetchmail), it was removed together with usercorner, but the part that doesn't depend on it is back again in 3.5 now.
Hope this clarifies things a bit. Don't hesitate to ask any other question you may have.
As many of you have raised more or less the same concerns, instead of replying separatily I'm going to try to clarify all your doubts in this post.
First of all, about the dropped modules, as the roadmap announcement says: "Documentation will be provided on configuring some of these services with specific software and naturally, community members interested in maintaining any of these modules will be warmly welcome."
This means that we will write some documentation about suggested specific replacements like Bacula for data backup, etc. Of course community will be very welcome to improve and extend these documentation (as some of you already pointed out).
Also, for people interested in keeping maintaining the modules in the contrib section, we've written already some quick documentation about it:
https://wiki.zentyal.org/wiki/Building_and_maintaining_a_contrib_Zentyal_module
Maybe is not enough but it may be a good starting point and we will be commited to improve it and help anyone with real interest in helping with that.
Please remind that (as some of you were also wondering), Zentyal has been always a modular platform, and even with less officially maintained module, this has not changed at all. Nothing prevents you to build and install existing modules in contrib, or even create your own ones (and of course share them with the rest of the community!).
About suggestions like creating different boxes like "Zentyal Active Exchange" and "Zentyal Gateway", the thing is we don't have infinite resources, and to provide a really good Active Exchange we *need* to focus on that. The work required to maintain modules properly is more than you may think, to give a quick example, is not only about if a module "works" or not (as you have raised the issue that some of the dropped modules just work), you also have to care about them during the upgrades , you need to ensure you don't break them with any change in the core framework, etc. Anyway, if some community members want to fork their own "Zentyal Gateway" distribution with modules like RADIUS, IPS or even new ones, we won't have any problem with that, even we will be willing to help as much as possible.
By the way, about the external mail retrieval (fetchmail), it was removed together with usercorner, but the part that doesn't depend on it is back again in 3.5 now.
Hope this clarifies things a bit. Don't hesitate to ask any other question you may have.
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News and Announcements / Re: Zentyal 4.0 Roadmap Published!
« on: July 25, 2014, 09:06:28 am »Hello Developer Team,
Anyone knows if Zentyal will provide an upgrade from 3.2 Professional Edition (12.04 lts) to this 4.0 (14.04 lts)?
Absolutely, direct upgrade from 3.2 to 4.0 will be provided for professional editions.
There will be of course also an upgrade path from 3.5 to 4.0 for community editions.
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News and Announcements / Zentyal 4.0 Roadmap Published!
« on: July 22, 2014, 02:21:44 pm »
Zentyal Development Team is glad to announce the roadmap for Zentyal Server 4.0! Zentyal 4.0 is a new Community Edition, that will be published in October 2014 and with this release Zentyal's drop-in replacement for Microsoft® Exchange Server gets out of technology preview! Due to this, most of the development effort of the next months will focus on stabilization and improvement of the mail and mail-related directory features. Simultaneously, large effort will be put in establishing the necessary Quality Assurance procedures to guarantee the stability of Zentyal Server. The code freeze is expected on September 15th, 2014.
Besides focusing primarily on the improvement and consolidation of both OpenChange and Samba4 integration with the goal of providing a drop-in replacement for Microsoft® Exchange Server, some additional improvements will also take place. The L2TP module will be restructured and improved, migration from Zentyal Server 3.5 to 4.0 will be made as smooth as possible and the free configuration backup - the most popular feature of the Free Zentyal Account - will be made available directly through the Zentyal Server UI without having to register a Free Zentyal Account. This release will run on Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS.
In addition, the Zentyal Development Team has taken the decision to remove a number of modules in order to focus on Zentyal Server’s goal: Offer a drop-in replacement for Windows® Small Business Server and Microsoft® Exchange Server. The dropped modules are: IPS, UPS management (NUT), Backup (Duplicity), Monitor (together with the Zentyal Remote client), RADIUS, Webserver and Webmail (Roundcube), IPsec (replaced by a new module supporting only L2TP). Also the Free Zentyal Account will be discontinued. Documentation will be provided on configuring some of these services with specific software and naturally, community members interested in maintaining any of these modules will be warmly welcome.
The availability of the Zentyal 4.0 Daily Builds for testing will be announced shortly. We strongly encourage everybody interested in a drop-in replacement for Windows Small Business Server and Microsoft® Exchange Server to join the testing effort and submit bug reports and feedback as soon as possible, in order to make this the best Zentyal release ever!
You can check the details at: http://www.zentyal.org/roadmap/zentyal-4-0-roadmap/
Besides focusing primarily on the improvement and consolidation of both OpenChange and Samba4 integration with the goal of providing a drop-in replacement for Microsoft® Exchange Server, some additional improvements will also take place. The L2TP module will be restructured and improved, migration from Zentyal Server 3.5 to 4.0 will be made as smooth as possible and the free configuration backup - the most popular feature of the Free Zentyal Account - will be made available directly through the Zentyal Server UI without having to register a Free Zentyal Account. This release will run on Ubuntu Server 14.04 LTS.
In addition, the Zentyal Development Team has taken the decision to remove a number of modules in order to focus on Zentyal Server’s goal: Offer a drop-in replacement for Windows® Small Business Server and Microsoft® Exchange Server. The dropped modules are: IPS, UPS management (NUT), Backup (Duplicity), Monitor (together with the Zentyal Remote client), RADIUS, Webserver and Webmail (Roundcube), IPsec (replaced by a new module supporting only L2TP). Also the Free Zentyal Account will be discontinued. Documentation will be provided on configuring some of these services with specific software and naturally, community members interested in maintaining any of these modules will be warmly welcome.
The availability of the Zentyal 4.0 Daily Builds for testing will be announced shortly. We strongly encourage everybody interested in a drop-in replacement for Windows Small Business Server and Microsoft® Exchange Server to join the testing effort and submit bug reports and feedback as soon as possible, in order to make this the best Zentyal release ever!
You can check the details at: http://www.zentyal.org/roadmap/zentyal-4-0-roadmap/
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News and Announcements / Re: Upgrade from Zentyal 3.3 to Zentyal 3.4 is ready
« on: July 22, 2014, 02:19:37 pm »will be available when upgrading from 3.4 to 3.5?
very soon, probably this week
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News and Announcements / Re: Zentyal 3.5 available
« on: July 22, 2014, 02:19:09 pm »Is there any news regarding the upgrade from 3.4 to 3.5 ? I am still doubting what would be best. Do a manual upgrade (reinstall) or wait till there is an upgrade from the team.
This post is not to hasten things but only to provide me and perhaps others with the info to make up their minds.
Thanks for the great work,
Selo
The upgrade button in the dashboard will appear soon, maybe it's better if you wait a few days
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Spanish / Re: ZAFARA
« on: July 16, 2014, 01:09:36 pm »
Zarafa está soportado en Zentyal 3.2, pero no en versiones posteriores.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Howto move on with ftp (vsftpd) 3.5
« on: July 06, 2014, 11:21:54 am »88
News and Announcements / Zentyal 3.5 available
« on: July 01, 2014, 11:30:36 am »
Hi all,
The Zentyal Development Team proudly presents Zentyal 3.5, a new version of the Linux alternative to Windows Small Business Server and Microsoft Exchange Server.
This release focuses on stabilization and simplification of the architecture, highlighting the use of Samba as single LDAP server instead of synchronizing with OpenLDAP and the removal of other components.
This brand new version is available for download at:
http://www.zentyal.org/download
You can check out all the details in the official announcement:
http://wiki.zentyal.org/wiki/Zentyal_3.5_Announcement
We would like to thank the community and all early adopters involved in making 3.5 the best release ever. We wish you will have as much pleasure and satisfaction using this new release that we had working on it.
Looking forward your feedback and don't forget more updates and new features are coming among next weeks!
The Zentyal Development Team proudly presents Zentyal 3.5, a new version of the Linux alternative to Windows Small Business Server and Microsoft Exchange Server.
This release focuses on stabilization and simplification of the architecture, highlighting the use of Samba as single LDAP server instead of synchronizing with OpenLDAP and the removal of other components.
This brand new version is available for download at:
http://www.zentyal.org/download
You can check out all the details in the official announcement:
http://wiki.zentyal.org/wiki/Zentyal_3.5_Announcement
We would like to thank the community and all early adopters involved in making 3.5 the best release ever. We wish you will have as much pleasure and satisfaction using this new release that we had working on it.
Looking forward your feedback and don't forget more updates and new features are coming among next weeks!
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Trying to join 3.5 as Additional DC doesn't suceed
« on: June 17, 2014, 10:48:41 pm »
2008R2 works in our tests, could you please file a bug at tracker.zentyal.org with as much information as possible (the steps you follow, the contents of /var/log/zentyal/zentyal.log...)? Thanks!
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Zentyal 3.5 Mail retrieval from external accounts
« on: June 17, 2014, 04:03:50 pm »
Yes, it was removed as a consequence of the usercorner removal (https://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,22133.msg85628.html)