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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Bug Checking
« on: December 10, 2012, 01:44:33 am »
3.0 is an RC no doubt about that. It should of never been released as a going concern. Its jumped ahead and the Zentyal site doesn't even have any links to get the ver 2 product.
If you try and install Zentyal from the ubuntu repo's which state 2.0 you end up with 3.0.
Its ok if you have a previously installed server but anyone who is about to install zentyal or use zentyal are stuck with an experimental product.
Why we can't have a repo that is experimental and at least freeze a working version, which at times we almost have is something that causes me confusion.
Surely we need to allow some of the community to bug check the bleeding edge side of things and allow others access to a working product.
I have pushed like mad for new features as Samba has been critical due to my win7 client base. Anyone can push for new features but this has nothing to do with the manner of release which has been shoddy to say the least.
I am asking these questions to a community council member and they can't answer about bug and non-regression tests?
We don't need a community council as the dev's could work direct with the community. Module version updates need to be released in a bleeding edge repository as it is not fair to the community to be used as a guineapig without choice.
We need to post against version and module so that the data of our activity is concise and returns clarity.
Its such a simple thing to do and just requires a couple of child forums that don't require any programatic skill and are part of the normal SMF functionality.
The devs are superb and the work arounds amazingly quick, the problem lies in the interface to the community. Which is the council as they don't seem to be able to communicate to either the devs or community.
I am generally angry because you can call this missinformation, chinese whispers, denial or even lies.
Where does it say that zentyal 3.0 is only fit to run in a 'sandbox' and don't worry about bugs? Its presented as a finished product.
I feel sorry for the dev's as this situation must apply terrible pressure knowing that they are developing on a live release.
This whole manner of this release in my mind is so reminiscant of closed source denial releases such as M$ that yes I am spitting feathers.
Can someone point me to an item of co-ordination that the community council has provided?
There is absolutely no need for a community council in its present guise as it provides absolutely no co-ordination, it creates a barrier between community and zentyal development.
The meritocracy just makes me laugh, this isn't supposed to be your drinking buddies. A meritocracy is an organic community free of restraint that provides value via peer review. Its not about voting, but as a community we don't even get the chance to vote for a council. We are so far away from a meritocracy that again we are in the territory of chinese whispers, falsities maybe lies.
A meritocracy allows value to be added to contribution and contributor. Votes, karma, likes allow metrics for the community to express a preference. This doesn't mean in any way that these are control methods that dictate direction.
They are purely modern open-source community models that seem to be totally lacking.
For me and in my own opinion and why I am angry is that from what the website states and what is the working reality. In my definition I call it a lie. Something that I really hate and do get angry about.
The community-council isn't a community council if its main perspective faces towards the commercial body. Its a Zentyal council and currently 80% are zentyal employee's. In my books its a lie to call it a community council.
If you are going to publish, meritocracy, community councils, open-source then run at as so. If you are going to run as a commercial offering which gets mentioned so often then retract those lies. Publish Zentyal as what it is, but quite frankly cut the crap.
If you try and install Zentyal from the ubuntu repo's which state 2.0 you end up with 3.0.
Its ok if you have a previously installed server but anyone who is about to install zentyal or use zentyal are stuck with an experimental product.
Why we can't have a repo that is experimental and at least freeze a working version, which at times we almost have is something that causes me confusion.
Surely we need to allow some of the community to bug check the bleeding edge side of things and allow others access to a working product.
I have pushed like mad for new features as Samba has been critical due to my win7 client base. Anyone can push for new features but this has nothing to do with the manner of release which has been shoddy to say the least.
I am asking these questions to a community council member and they can't answer about bug and non-regression tests?
We don't need a community council as the dev's could work direct with the community. Module version updates need to be released in a bleeding edge repository as it is not fair to the community to be used as a guineapig without choice.
We need to post against version and module so that the data of our activity is concise and returns clarity.
Its such a simple thing to do and just requires a couple of child forums that don't require any programatic skill and are part of the normal SMF functionality.
The devs are superb and the work arounds amazingly quick, the problem lies in the interface to the community. Which is the council as they don't seem to be able to communicate to either the devs or community.
I am generally angry because you can call this missinformation, chinese whispers, denial or even lies.
Where does it say that zentyal 3.0 is only fit to run in a 'sandbox' and don't worry about bugs? Its presented as a finished product.
I feel sorry for the dev's as this situation must apply terrible pressure knowing that they are developing on a live release.
This whole manner of this release in my mind is so reminiscant of closed source denial releases such as M$ that yes I am spitting feathers.
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Zentyal Community Council
The social structures and community processes of Zentyal are supervised by the Zentyal Community Council. It is the Community Council that approves the creation of a new team or project, along with team leader appointments. The council is also responsible for the Code of Conduct and tasked with ensuring that community members follow its guidelines.
The council is ultimately responsible for dispute resolution, should it be required.
The Community Council uses the forum (public or private boards) for coordination and meets every two weeks when required on Internet relay chat (IRC). You can propose an item for discussion at the council on the Zentyal Wiki.
Can someone point me to an item of co-ordination that the community council has provided?
There is absolutely no need for a community council in its present guise as it provides absolutely no co-ordination, it creates a barrier between community and zentyal development.
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SABDFL
This is not a democracy, it's a meritocracy. We try to operate more on consensus than on votes, seeking agreement from the people who will have to do the work. Ignacio Correas, as self-appointed benevolent dictator for life (SABDFL), plays a happily undemocratic role as sponsor of the project. He has the ability, with regard to Zentyal employees, to ask people to work on specific projects, specific feature goals and specific bugs.
He also has a casting vote on the Community Council, should it come to a vote. This capacity is not used lightly. The community functions best when it can reach broad consensus about a way forward. However, it is not uncommon in the open-source world for there to be multiple good arguments, no clear consensus, and for arguments to divide communities rather than enrich them. The argument absorbs the energy that might otherwise have gone towards the creation of a solution. In many cases, there is no one 'right' answer, and what is needed is a decision more than a debate. The sabdfl acts to provide clear leadership on difficult issues, and set the pace for the project.
The meritocracy just makes me laugh, this isn't supposed to be your drinking buddies. A meritocracy is an organic community free of restraint that provides value via peer review. Its not about voting, but as a community we don't even get the chance to vote for a council. We are so far away from a meritocracy that again we are in the territory of chinese whispers, falsities maybe lies.
A meritocracy allows value to be added to contribution and contributor. Votes, karma, likes allow metrics for the community to express a preference. This doesn't mean in any way that these are control methods that dictate direction.
They are purely modern open-source community models that seem to be totally lacking.
For me and in my own opinion and why I am angry is that from what the website states and what is the working reality. In my definition I call it a lie. Something that I really hate and do get angry about.
The community-council isn't a community council if its main perspective faces towards the commercial body. Its a Zentyal council and currently 80% are zentyal employee's. In my books its a lie to call it a community council.
If you are going to publish, meritocracy, community councils, open-source then run at as so. If you are going to run as a commercial offering which gets mentioned so often then retract those lies. Publish Zentyal as what it is, but quite frankly cut the crap.
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Installation and Upgrades / Bug Checking
« on: December 09, 2012, 09:43:12 pm »
Who is actually co-ordinating any bug-checking and beta testing ? Does any organisation exist?
Is that better than the http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,13358.msg55245.html#msg55245 post.
It is strikingly obvious that it doesn't happen.
Council / moderators come on this is a perfectly honest and reasonable question?
Is that better than the http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,13358.msg55245.html#msg55245 post.
It is strikingly obvious that it doesn't happen.
Council / moderators come on this is a perfectly honest and reasonable question?
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Again: How to join a Windows 7 client to Zentyal Domain installation
« on: December 09, 2012, 08:49:07 pm »
Ok so had to knock apparmor out of the equation.
Make sure clock is updated by zentyal ntp so synced.
Change administrator password.
make sure ntp is synced.
logon with administrator and fqdn domain name
Yeap hey presto.
So when we going to get the apparmor profile sorted?
Make sure clock is updated by zentyal ntp so synced.
Change administrator password.
make sure ntp is synced.
logon with administrator and fqdn domain name
Yeap hey presto.
So when we going to get the apparmor profile sorted?
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Again: How to join a Windows 7 client to Zentyal Domain installation
« on: December 09, 2012, 07:57:21 pm »
Having a look at the temp files its trying to do the following...
zone thursbygarden.org
update delete thursbygarden.org A
update add thursbygarden.org 259200 A 192.168.3.1
update delete zen1.thursbygarden.org A
update add zen1.thursbygarden.org 259200 A 192.168.3.1
update delete thursbygarden.org MX
send
this was with a single static ip (disabled wan) also disabled apparmor !?
If you run the command as root then.
Dec 9 19:11:09 zen1 named[3145]: samba_dlz: starting transaction on zone thursbygarden.org
Dec 9 19:11:09 zen1 named[3145]: samba_dlz: disallowing update of signer=local-ddns, invalid key
Dec 9 19:11:09 zen1 named[3145]: client 127.0.0.1#35217: updating zone 'thursbygarden.org/NONE': update failed: rejected by secure update (REFUSED)
Dec 9 19:11:09 zen1 named[3145]: samba_dlz: cancelling transaction on zone thursbygarden.org
dunno what happened to my normal apparmor disable
sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor teardown
sudo update-rc.d -f apparmor remove
when checked still running.
apt-get remove apparmor and reboot
So same as barry
zone thursbygarden.org
update delete thursbygarden.org A
update add thursbygarden.org 259200 A 192.168.3.1
update delete zen1.thursbygarden.org A
update add zen1.thursbygarden.org 259200 A 192.168.3.1
update delete thursbygarden.org MX
send
this was with a single static ip (disabled wan) also disabled apparmor !?
If you run the command as root then.
Dec 9 19:11:09 zen1 named[3145]: samba_dlz: starting transaction on zone thursbygarden.org
Dec 9 19:11:09 zen1 named[3145]: samba_dlz: disallowing update of signer=local-ddns, invalid key
Dec 9 19:11:09 zen1 named[3145]: client 127.0.0.1#35217: updating zone 'thursbygarden.org/NONE': update failed: rejected by secure update (REFUSED)
Dec 9 19:11:09 zen1 named[3145]: samba_dlz: cancelling transaction on zone thursbygarden.org
dunno what happened to my normal apparmor disable
sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor teardown
sudo update-rc.d -f apparmor remove
when checked still running.
apt-get remove apparmor and reboot
So same as barry
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Again: How to join a Windows 7 client to Zentyal Domain installation
« on: December 09, 2012, 07:30:50 pm »
Same thing again this time disabled apparmor.
sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor teardown
sudo update-rc.d -f apparmor remove
Had a look at my DNS and all seemed Ok apart from the host name dns referenced wan before lan IP.
Deleted wan IP and added it so it became lan first.
2012/12/09 18:25:21 WARN> DNS.pm:1494 EBox::DNS::_launchNSupdate - Cannot contact with named, trying in posthook
2012/12/09 18:25:21 INFO> DNS.pm:91 EBox::DNS::appArmorProfiles - Setting DNS apparmor profile
2012/12/09 18:25:23 ERROR> Sudo.pm:233 EBox::Sudo::_rootError - root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/KMhaW5r168 failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
Command output: .
Exit value: 2
2012/12/09 18:25:23 ERROR> GlobalImpl.pm:642 EBox::GlobalImpl::__ANON__ - Failed to save changes in module samba: root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/KMhaW5r168 failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
Command output: .
Exit value: 2
2012/12/09 18:25:23 INFO> Base.pm:229 EBox::Module::Base::save - Restarting service for module: dns
2012/12/09 18:25:23 ERROR> Sudo.pm:233 EBox::Sudo::_rootError - root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/8sZGdnRteK failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
Command output: .
Exit value: 2
2012/12/09 18:25:23 INFO> DNS.pm:91 EBox::DNS::appArmorProfiles - Setting DNS apparmor profile
2012/12/09 18:25:25 ERROR> Sudo.pm:233 EBox::Sudo::_rootError - root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/KMhaW5r168 failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
Command output: .
Exit value: 2
2012/12/09 18:25:25 ERROR> GlobalImpl.pm:642 EBox::GlobalImpl::__ANON__ - Failed to save changes in module dns: root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/KMhaW5r168 failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor stop
sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor teardown
sudo update-rc.d -f apparmor remove
Had a look at my DNS and all seemed Ok apart from the host name dns referenced wan before lan IP.
Deleted wan IP and added it so it became lan first.
2012/12/09 18:25:21 WARN> DNS.pm:1494 EBox::DNS::_launchNSupdate - Cannot contact with named, trying in posthook
2012/12/09 18:25:21 INFO> DNS.pm:91 EBox::DNS::appArmorProfiles - Setting DNS apparmor profile
2012/12/09 18:25:23 ERROR> Sudo.pm:233 EBox::Sudo::_rootError - root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/KMhaW5r168 failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
Command output: .
Exit value: 2
2012/12/09 18:25:23 ERROR> GlobalImpl.pm:642 EBox::GlobalImpl::__ANON__ - Failed to save changes in module samba: root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/KMhaW5r168 failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
Command output: .
Exit value: 2
2012/12/09 18:25:23 INFO> Base.pm:229 EBox::Module::Base::save - Restarting service for module: dns
2012/12/09 18:25:23 ERROR> Sudo.pm:233 EBox::Sudo::_rootError - root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/8sZGdnRteK failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
Command output: .
Exit value: 2
2012/12/09 18:25:23 INFO> DNS.pm:91 EBox::DNS::appArmorProfiles - Setting DNS apparmor profile
2012/12/09 18:25:25 ERROR> Sudo.pm:233 EBox::Sudo::_rootError - root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/KMhaW5r168 failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
Command output: .
Exit value: 2
2012/12/09 18:25:25 ERROR> GlobalImpl.pm:642 EBox::GlobalImpl::__ANON__ - Failed to save changes in module dns: root command nsupdate -l -t 10 /var/lib/zentyal/tmp/KMhaW5r168 failed.
Error output: update failed: REFUSED
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Again: How to join a Windows 7 client to Zentyal Domain installation
« on: December 09, 2012, 07:13:41 pm »
This time installed users&groups so that it brings in dns and ntp.
Enabled all fine rebooted.
Installed samba
enabled same fault dnsupdate not liked.
Enabled all fine rebooted.
Installed samba
enabled same fault dnsupdate not liked.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Again: How to join a Windows 7 client to Zentyal Domain installation
« on: December 09, 2012, 06:48:50 pm »
Nope had to stop on episode 16. Just got in.Ok I am doing a fresh install on ubuntu 12.04.1. with current core 3.0.8.
My first attempt was just to setup the networking and then install samba and let it bring in all the modules.
Banged out and it looks like there are apparmour probs like previously suggested.
I am just having a look through the logs.
[actually apparmor just caught my eye but that is just a profile update]
dns updates don't seem to be liked.
Might be that DNS hasn't even been enabled yet.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: ideatorrent is live, how is it going to be used?
« on: December 09, 2012, 03:10:57 pm »
Due to the idea's that are still stuck there in the sandbox since october that are waiting for promotion so that users can vote would seem to indicate that idea's right from the start are being moderated.
Also I never said that idea's of any number of votes should be automatic development propositions.
The voting mechanism is purely an indication of community popularity and it is completely up to Zentyal what they develop or what third parties might provide.
The reason we have never had a third party piece of code is because we have never had any time with working zmoddev tools.
Zentyal seem very reticent to release and provide any decent documentation.
I have been trying to get hold of those tools for two years and the situation is like the current one. They are not available.
What I can say is that when you publish as an open source meritocracy as it says in your governance guidelines it is wrong to not operate in such a manner.
Also I never said that idea's of any number of votes should be automatic development propositions.
The voting mechanism is purely an indication of community popularity and it is completely up to Zentyal what they develop or what third parties might provide.
The reason we have never had a third party piece of code is because we have never had any time with working zmoddev tools.
Zentyal seem very reticent to release and provide any decent documentation.
I have been trying to get hold of those tools for two years and the situation is like the current one. They are not available.
What I can say is that when you publish as an open source meritocracy as it says in your governance guidelines it is wrong to not operate in such a manner.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: OpenVpn configuration
« on: December 09, 2012, 03:01:13 pm »
I am not in front of a server so this is by an atrocious memory.
/usr/share/zentyal/stubs/zentyal-module/ "zentyal-open-vpn" you will have to look at the contents and decide which .mas file is correct.
The first way is just to cp and create a back to mas.old. That way any mistakes you can just revert back to the original.
So first way is just to edit the corresponding .mas and add your lines that prob might use a redirected echo to the conf file.
echo mysettings > my.conf appends to the end of the file.
If you keep the original backup before editing you can play at your hearts content and view syslog and zentyal.log for any potential errors.
I can't access a server at the moment so apols.
/usr/share/zentyal/stubs/zentyal-module/ "zentyal-open-vpn" you will have to look at the contents and decide which .mas file is correct.
The first way is just to cp and create a back to mas.old. That way any mistakes you can just revert back to the original.
So first way is just to edit the corresponding .mas and add your lines that prob might use a redirected echo to the conf file.
echo mysettings > my.conf appends to the end of the file.
If you keep the original backup before editing you can play at your hearts content and view syslog and zentyal.log for any potential errors.
I can't access a server at the moment so apols.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: ideatorrent is live, how is it going to be used?
« on: December 09, 2012, 02:21:41 pm »
Are you going to moderate and promote the idea's that are stuck and awaiting promotion?
The community can decide if they are of any worth by voting.
That's what I meant by moderation and it would seem you are moderating idea's. That is the opposite of what an idea sharing meritocracy is about?
They are still all stuck in the sandbox area?
The community can decide if they are of any worth by voting.
That's what I meant by moderation and it would seem you are moderating idea's. That is the opposite of what an idea sharing meritocracy is about?
They are still all stuck in the sandbox area?
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: customizing squid
« on: December 09, 2012, 02:14:59 pm »
Hi Zentyal is this great templating system that allows you to provide customization.
I would love to see the scripting engine refined to make it easier to provide zentyal variables and a little more documentation on how to employ them.
http://doc.zentyal.org/en/develop.html
Gives you a starting point but any Zentyal-Module can be customised also I think the hooks are upgrade independent so they will stay.
I would love to see the scripting engine refined to make it easier to provide zentyal variables and a little more documentation on how to employ them.
http://doc.zentyal.org/en/develop.html
Gives you a starting point but any Zentyal-Module can be customised also I think the hooks are upgrade independent so they will stay.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: OpenVpn configuration
« on: December 09, 2012, 02:08:21 pm »
Vinny have a look a this and it will act as a start point for any zentyal-module
http://doc.zentyal.org/en/develop.html
http://doc.zentyal.org/en/develop.html
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: SCPONLY
« on: December 09, 2012, 02:03:13 pm »
Might be also the zentyal scripts themselves.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Samba failed to start
« on: December 09, 2012, 01:53:25 pm »
Whilst bug checking a common approach is a process of elimination. You remove completely so that you know and have absolutely no doubts that the removed process has any effect. You keep doing this until you get to hopefully a minimal working system then you build back up until the error reappears.
You will find that many dev's and bugcheckers don't run production protection methods whilst bug checking or developing.
You will find that many dev's and bugcheckers don't run production protection methods whilst bug checking or developing.
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Installation and Upgrades / Re: Duplicity restore problem
« on: December 09, 2012, 01:44:14 pm »
I guess we all have different backup strategies. I have many users and large amounts of non essential data.
Its in the non profits community education arena.
Its a start point as its not just backing up data, but backing up data to a backup hardware platform.
I want it to be zentyal as part of the exchange will be database dumps and configuration so that in the event of a catastrophic failure I am back up and running.
Its that simple redundant server thing I keep banging on about and its really easy to accomplish.
I don't have the room or the need for long term snapshot storage. Its all about cost so the overnight backup is always there to give me the previous day. Also from experience the loss of a few files from that day is often an easily rectified by those users. It is causes much less chaos and cost of having a downed server with nobody being able to work. (S*** hit fan time).
Sometimes hardware fails and having a duplicate zentyal server ready to go live is a life saver in this scenario. Its not like I have many quad proc, 16gb, 4 disk raid5 3TB machines hanging around.
Also whilst I have this duplicate machine waiting in the background I might as well use it for a simplistic backup storage method that copies a straight file system that I can see what files are contained.
All I have to do is get the additional domain controller or user sync going and the Simple Redundent Backup Server is almost complete.
OPenNas and FreeNas are excellent but I don't just want data duplication I also want hardware and configuration.
Its in the non profits community education arena.
Its a start point as its not just backing up data, but backing up data to a backup hardware platform.
I want it to be zentyal as part of the exchange will be database dumps and configuration so that in the event of a catastrophic failure I am back up and running.
Its that simple redundant server thing I keep banging on about and its really easy to accomplish.
I don't have the room or the need for long term snapshot storage. Its all about cost so the overnight backup is always there to give me the previous day. Also from experience the loss of a few files from that day is often an easily rectified by those users. It is causes much less chaos and cost of having a downed server with nobody being able to work. (S*** hit fan time).
Sometimes hardware fails and having a duplicate zentyal server ready to go live is a life saver in this scenario. Its not like I have many quad proc, 16gb, 4 disk raid5 3TB machines hanging around.
Also whilst I have this duplicate machine waiting in the background I might as well use it for a simplistic backup storage method that copies a straight file system that I can see what files are contained.
All I have to do is get the additional domain controller or user sync going and the Simple Redundent Backup Server is almost complete.
OPenNas and FreeNas are excellent but I don't just want data duplication I also want hardware and configuration.